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	<title>Comments on: Mythic Cartography Explained, Part Five</title>
	<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2006/03/02/mythic-cartography-explained-part-5/</link>
	<description>Embrace Heritage Skills from Your Tribal Past</description>
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		<title>By: Willem</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2006/03/02/mythic-cartography-explained-part-5/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 04:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, I've modified the section about cycles of abuse connection to a supply of energy to power them. I agree that if I want to bring that up, I should dedicate building a foundation that makes it understandable. Too much ambition for this little section on "Ways".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, I&#8217;ve modified the section about cycles of abuse connection to a supply of energy to power them. I agree that if I want to bring that up, I should dedicate building a foundation that makes it understandable. Too much ambition for this little section on &#8220;Ways&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Willem</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2006/03/02/mythic-cartography-explained-part-5/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 02:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lisa. I see it as straightening a bent bar - to make it straight again, you actually have to bend it &lt;i&gt;past&lt;/i&gt; straight.

In this sense, I don't claim any sole causes for anything. I agree if you consider that foolhardy. I do think though, that once again it comes down to the Grave of Right and Wrong. One of the things implicit in a worldview that "works" invovles the idea that the sum total of your behaviors foster life: life for you, life for your habitat and nonhuman family. Abuse can happen in any context. But a mahine that runs on abuse, like our culture, cannot sustain itself. It does not foster life. Indigenously, abusive cultures could not survive. How could they? To waste energy on behaviors that do not directly contribute to the life of the family means throwing energy away. You can only do that if you have surplus energy to spare. This may mean that in indigenous contexts where a surplus of energy existed, and something trigged an abusive cultural cycle, that the community could indeed sustain it. I welcome any further thoughts you have on this - I consider it part of my job to say the crazy thing, and generalize shamelessly, when it has a use. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lisa. I see it as straightening a bent bar - to make it straight again, you actually have to bend it <i>past</i> straight.</p>
<p>In this sense, I don&#8217;t claim any sole causes for anything. I agree if you consider that foolhardy. I do think though, that once again it comes down to the Grave of Right and Wrong. One of the things implicit in a worldview that &#8220;works&#8221; invovles the idea that the sum total of your behaviors foster life: life for you, life for your habitat and nonhuman family. Abuse can happen in any context. But a mahine that runs on abuse, like our culture, cannot sustain itself. It does not foster life. Indigenously, abusive cultures could not survive. How could they? To waste energy on behaviors that do not directly contribute to the life of the family means throwing energy away. You can only do that if you have surplus energy to spare. This may mean that in indigenous contexts where a surplus of energy existed, and something trigged an abusive cultural cycle, that the community could indeed sustain it. I welcome any further thoughts you have on this - I consider it part of my job to say the crazy thing, and generalize shamelessly, when it has a use. <img src='http://www.mythic-cartography.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Wells</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2006/03/02/mythic-cartography-explained-part-5/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 23:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, this one is a toughy for me. I don't neccesarily disagree with you but I am going to need some more examples if I am to believe that physical and sexual abuse is owed souly to a surpluss of free time [or is it the worldview that makes its living through unsustainable/toxic etc. methods that encourages the abuse? I don't get it.] Also [if I'm Joe Shmoe] I am going to feel pretty conflicted about the whole "Hunter-gatherer cultures had all the free time in the world" bit next to the narrow food margin/surplus energy feeds harmfull patterns of behavior, bit. Mainly because most of us extrapolate our truth of the world from our own experience [or other individual experience [ie. What do you mean we have a food surplus??? People are starving in India!!!] basicaly it is tough to go back to square one when youve built such a rich worldview [and in such stark contrast to mother-culture's] and make the whole thing make sense to a civilian. I think the points you're making here [eloquently by the by] could have a chapterto themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, this one is a toughy for me. I don&#8217;t neccesarily disagree with you but I am going to need some more examples if I am to believe that physical and sexual abuse is owed souly to a surpluss of free time [or is it the worldview that makes its living through unsustainable/toxic etc. methods that encourages the abuse? I don&#8217;t get it.] Also [if I&#8217;m Joe Shmoe] I am going to feel pretty conflicted about the whole &#8220;Hunter-gatherer cultures had all the free time in the world&#8221; bit next to the narrow food margin/surplus energy feeds harmfull patterns of behavior, bit. Mainly because most of us extrapolate our truth of the world from our own experience [or other individual experience [ie. What do you mean we have a food surplus??? People are starving in India!!!] basicaly it is tough to go back to square one when youve built such a rich worldview [and in such stark contrast to mother-culture&#8217;s] and make the whole thing make sense to a civilian. I think the points you&#8217;re making here [eloquently by the by] could have a chapterto themselves.</p>
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