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	<title>Comments on: The Subtle Task of Helping Dreamers</title>
	<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/03/15/the-subtle-task-of-helping-dreamers/</link>
	<description>Embrace Heritage Skills from Your Tribal Past</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Willem</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/03/15/the-subtle-task-of-helping-dreamers/#comment-23669</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey. &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; enjoyed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey. <i>I</i> enjoyed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Metcalf</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/03/15/the-subtle-task-of-helping-dreamers/#comment-23668</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Metcalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I was on my own track there wasn't I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I was on my own track there wasn&#8217;t I.</p>
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		<title>By: Willem</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/03/15/the-subtle-task-of-helping-dreamers/#comment-23667</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I of course, meant these as questions for a person supporting Dreamers in their work, but you've seemed to have interpreted them in a more intriguing and general way. Cool!

As for the last question, it points to the need to make yourself obsolete, to support the other's self-sufficiency, from a skill point of view. 

Offering this kind of mentoring and support of course only strengthens interdependence, but I have seen far too many teachers who won't let go of the teacher-student relationship when the time comes, who in fact handicap their students to keep them always needing more 'wisdom'.

The ol' guru complex. 

Of course, in few places does this guru complex manifest itself as powerfully as in the interpretation of another person's private Dreamworld. Grrr. Rather than the support of guiding elders, we have gurus 'telling you what your dream means'.

Ick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I of course, meant these as questions for a person supporting Dreamers in their work, but you&#8217;ve seemed to have interpreted them in a more intriguing and general way. Cool!</p>
<p>As for the last question, it points to the need to make yourself obsolete, to support the other&#8217;s self-sufficiency, from a skill point of view. </p>
<p>Offering this kind of mentoring and support of course only strengthens interdependence, but I have seen far too many teachers who won&#8217;t let go of the teacher-student relationship when the time comes, who in fact handicap their students to keep them always needing more &#8216;wisdom&#8217;.</p>
<p>The ol&#8217; guru complex. </p>
<p>Of course, in few places does this guru complex manifest itself as powerfully as in the interpretation of another person&#8217;s private Dreamworld. Grrr. Rather than the support of guiding elders, we have gurus &#8216;telling you what your dream means&#8217;.</p>
<p>Ick.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Metcalf</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/03/15/the-subtle-task-of-helping-dreamers/#comment-23666</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Metcalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For your first two questions Willem, these are the goals of practicing the listening skills that are taught to people who are studying to be counsellors.  These skills are very enlightening to practice. I found out how poor at listening I sometimes am.

I'm still thinking about the third question.

I strive to do what the fourth question suggests.

Hmmm this last question, at first I would say yes I've done that and do that.  A lot of my life I have been places where I was an outsider. I enjoy "strange lands"
Then again sometimes I wonder how/why I ended up there if my presence is so superfluous.  The presence of a guest can provide or enhance meaning or purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For your first two questions Willem, these are the goals of practicing the listening skills that are taught to people who are studying to be counsellors.  These skills are very enlightening to practice. I found out how poor at listening I sometimes am.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still thinking about the third question.</p>
<p>I strive to do what the fourth question suggests.</p>
<p>Hmmm this last question, at first I would say yes I&#8217;ve done that and do that.  A lot of my life I have been places where I was an outsider. I enjoy &#8220;strange lands&#8221;<br />
Then again sometimes I wonder how/why I ended up there if my presence is so superfluous.  The presence of a guest can provide or enhance meaning or purpose.</p>
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