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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Where Are Your Keys?&#8221; Means A New Role For Educational Institutions</title>
	<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2009/06/15/where-are-your-keys-means-a-new-role-for-educational-institutions/</link>
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		<title>By: Willem</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2009/06/15/where-are-your-keys-means-a-new-role-for-educational-institutions/#comment-24969</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful comments! Thank you nodedog. I feel very simpatico about what you've said. 

When prey becomes teachers, and the hunters students, who then becomes the prey, and who the hunter? Whose spirit eats who?

And who remains afterward?

A more beautiful, complex, richer being, surely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful comments! Thank you nodedog. I feel very simpatico about what you&#8217;ve said. </p>
<p>When prey becomes teachers, and the hunters students, who then becomes the prey, and who the hunter? Whose spirit eats who?</p>
<p>And who remains afterward?</p>
<p>A more beautiful, complex, richer being, surely.</p>
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		<title>By: nodedog</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2009/06/15/where-are-your-keys-means-a-new-role-for-educational-institutions/#comment-24945</link>
		<dc:creator>nodedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your vision of where education might go, one of the possibilities that you mention.   Learning happens inside the person, not the institution.  I have worked in a small two year college for the  past 10 years.  Occasionally, I see a light in the eyes of the students, but not too much.  

The border between the student and teacher is nebulous and situational.  I believe that a good teacher would also be a good student of his students.  Where does one begin and the other end?  This is the ideal.  

I was reading about aboriginal hunters.  They study their prey, becoming them.  Moving and thinking like them.  In this case their prey become the teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your vision of where education might go, one of the possibilities that you mention.   Learning happens inside the person, not the institution.  I have worked in a small two year college for the  past 10 years.  Occasionally, I see a light in the eyes of the students, but not too much.  </p>
<p>The border between the student and teacher is nebulous and situational.  I believe that a good teacher would also be a good student of his students.  Where does one begin and the other end?  This is the ideal.  </p>
<p>I was reading about aboriginal hunters.  They study their prey, becoming them.  Moving and thinking like them.  In this case their prey become the teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: Idzie</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2009/06/15/where-are-your-keys-means-a-new-role-for-educational-institutions/#comment-24914</link>
		<dc:creator>Idzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading  this post made me very happy!  As an unschooler, I couldn't agree more.  This blog is a great find, and I look forward to reading more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading  this post made me very happy!  As an unschooler, I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  This blog is a great find, and I look forward to reading more!</p>
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		<title>By: Willem</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2009/06/15/where-are-your-keys-means-a-new-role-for-educational-institutions/#comment-24900</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julian:

Absolutely, I see WAYK as a medium of Work. Think of it this way; every culture of skill, like construction, farming, etc. has its own in-jokes, ballads, assumptions, axioms, and so on. Play/game-based learning already manifests itself in Work (not to mention the pervasive idea of "on-the-job training"). WAYK just does this intentionally and purposely, creating a work culture designed to accelerate productivity and learning hand in hand. One of the core techniques in WAYK: "Do Something", meaning, you will learn faster if you actually do something/make something/accomplish real project-based goals. 

Abdallah:

Yes! The master-apprentice culture then finds its home again, in this model, I think. That relationship has a place to come home to, when we change the system of interaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian:</p>
<p>Absolutely, I see WAYK as a medium of Work. Think of it this way; every culture of skill, like construction, farming, etc. has its own in-jokes, ballads, assumptions, axioms, and so on. Play/game-based learning already manifests itself in Work (not to mention the pervasive idea of &#8220;on-the-job training&#8221;). WAYK just does this intentionally and purposely, creating a work culture designed to accelerate productivity and learning hand in hand. One of the core techniques in WAYK: &#8220;Do Something&#8221;, meaning, you will learn faster if you actually do something/make something/accomplish real project-based goals. </p>
<p>Abdallah:</p>
<p>Yes! The master-apprentice culture then finds its home again, in this model, I think. That relationship has a place to come home to, when we change the system of interaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdallah B. Stickley</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2009/06/15/where-are-your-keys-means-a-new-role-for-educational-institutions/#comment-24899</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdallah B. Stickley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willem,

Great start.  In terms of how this relates to our conversation, the role of the institution is to preserve some of the master-apprentice role, to perpetuate what is a genuine lineage transmission, and to provide a space and a vessel for the collaborative exploration to be safe-guarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willem,</p>
<p>Great start.  In terms of how this relates to our conversation, the role of the institution is to preserve some of the master-apprentice role, to perpetuate what is a genuine lineage transmission, and to provide a space and a vessel for the collaborative exploration to be safe-guarded.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Michels</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2009/06/15/where-are-your-keys-means-a-new-role-for-educational-institutions/#comment-24898</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Michels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willem,

I've been thinking about these ideas lately and one of the questions I'm having some trouble envisioning something:

Do you see this as being the medium of Work as well as the medium of Learning? For artistic media, it's easy to see that being very effective (and we are already exploring that), but what about other kinds of Work?

For example, for the actual work of experts, like diving into theoretical math for days on end or designing an empirical experiment etc etc, how does the egalitarian, collaborative process play in?

And what about labor? Farming, construction, waste management... are we looking beyond educational institutions? If so, how can these things be collaborative and egalitarian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willem,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about these ideas lately and one of the questions I&#8217;m having some trouble envisioning something:</p>
<p>Do you see this as being the medium of Work as well as the medium of Learning? For artistic media, it&#8217;s easy to see that being very effective (and we are already exploring that), but what about other kinds of Work?</p>
<p>For example, for the actual work of experts, like diving into theoretical math for days on end or designing an empirical experiment etc etc, how does the egalitarian, collaborative process play in?</p>
<p>And what about labor? Farming, construction, waste management&#8230; are we looking beyond educational institutions? If so, how can these things be collaborative and egalitarian?</p>
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