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	<title>Comments for The College of Mythic Cartography</title>
	<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org</link>
	<description>Embrace Heritage Skills from Your Tribal Past</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Natural Teamwork by Willem</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/14/natural-teamwork/#comment-24017</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I assume the attendee meant a clinic in Portland.

I'll cut and paste the description of the talk:

&lt;i&gt;Real Teams for Non-Profits and Other Organizations

Self-Organizing Teams are the new paradigm for collaborative learning and leadership. Eliminate hierarchical systems and replace them with truly democratic models of working together. We look at a family, a village, and a community as a team where everyone has gifts to share. TrackersTEAMS principles come from a place you would not expect, the high-tech world of software development. Truly innovative software developers leave hierarchy behind and celebrate getting work done well and quickly with common effort. They call this model Agile Teamwork. With the blessings of our elder and internationally renowned team consultant Diana Larsen, we have combined the awareness of ecology with agile teamwork principles for a highly effective way of getting things done. We call it Natural Agile Teams. TrackersTEAMS helps you foster sustainability in both learning and working. As we work through our year we take on core routines of facilitation and find that coming together generates better communication and healthier results. While many models sound great on a whiteboard or flip chart, Natural Agile Teams yields results tested by some of the most successful collaborative entrepreneurs and companies today. &lt;/i&gt;

Check out the event listing on Friday, May 30th, and you'll find it: http://www.cityrepair.org/wiki.php/projects/vbc8/workshops</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I assume the attendee meant a clinic in Portland.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll cut and paste the description of the talk:</p>
<p><i>Real Teams for Non-Profits and Other Organizations</p>
<p>Self-Organizing Teams are the new paradigm for collaborative learning and leadership. Eliminate hierarchical systems and replace them with truly democratic models of working together. We look at a family, a village, and a community as a team where everyone has gifts to share. TrackersTEAMS principles come from a place you would not expect, the high-tech world of software development. Truly innovative software developers leave hierarchy behind and celebrate getting work done well and quickly with common effort. They call this model Agile Teamwork. With the blessings of our elder and internationally renowned team consultant Diana Larsen, we have combined the awareness of ecology with agile teamwork principles for a highly effective way of getting things done. We call it Natural Agile Teams. TrackersTEAMS helps you foster sustainability in both learning and working. As we work through our year we take on core routines of facilitation and find that coming together generates better communication and healthier results. While many models sound great on a whiteboard or flip chart, Natural Agile Teams yields results tested by some of the most successful collaborative entrepreneurs and companies today. </i></p>
<p>Check out the event listing on Friday, May 30th, and you&#8217;ll find it: <a href="http://www.cityrepair.org/wiki.php/projects/vbc8/workshops" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.cityrepair.org');">http://www.cityrepair.org/wiki.php/projects/vbc8/workshops</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Toxicity and Vitality of Rightness and Wrongness by Willem</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/13/the-toxicity-and-vitality-of-rightness-and-wrongness/#comment-24016</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/13/the-toxicity-and-vitality-of-rightness-and-wrongness/#comment-24016</guid>
		<description>Renee-

&lt;i&gt;Totally! Adorno speaks on this a lot…
and a lot of people see morality and ethics as a sort of compass, a navigation mechanism for their journey through life. But when you think about the fact that these are social constructs, we look like animals circling a pen.&lt;/i&gt;

Genius! Poetry, in fact.

Yes, morality and ethics that don't take into account the power and demands of the moment, not only interfere, but stand fundamentally in opposition to Life. I do believe indigenous moral systems exist that embrace the dictates of the moment. But the only way to get back to these, for ourselves, lies through abandoning artificiality and the obsession with looking to an authority for direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee-</p>
<p><i>Totally! Adorno speaks on this a lot…<br />
and a lot of people see morality and ethics as a sort of compass, a navigation mechanism for their journey through life. But when you think about the fact that these are social constructs, we look like animals circling a pen.</i></p>
<p>Genius! Poetry, in fact.</p>
<p>Yes, morality and ethics that don&#8217;t take into account the power and demands of the moment, not only interfere, but stand fundamentally in opposition to Life. I do believe indigenous moral systems exist that embrace the dictates of the moment. But the only way to get back to these, for ourselves, lies through abandoning artificiality and the obsession with looking to an authority for direction.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Toxicity and Vitality of Rightness and Wrongness by Renee</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/13/the-toxicity-and-vitality-of-rightness-and-wrongness/#comment-24015</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/13/the-toxicity-and-vitality-of-rightness-and-wrongness/#comment-24015</guid>
		<description>"Much of what keeps us imprisoned in modern civilization amounts to unarticulated webs of shoulds and oughts, rights and wrongs."

Totally! Adorno speaks on this a lot...
and a lot of people see morality and ethics as a sort of compass, a navigation mechanism for their journey through life. But when you think about the fact that these are social constructs, we look like animals circling a pen. 
I'll share a story that my housemate told me. 

He had a friend, Jeremy,  who was going through this strange period of life where he was "watching Fight Club all the time and not sleeping much". One afternoon he was sitting at a red light at a busy street in West Olympia. And he got this sudden, uncontrollable urge to just slam on the gas. It built, and built.....and he gunned it....feeling the sort of crazy wisdom, an exhilarating, divine inspiration....
And T-boned a very large white SUV.
And then the feeling of doom set in. The woman got out of the drivers seat and said she didn't think she was injured. But she wanted to have an X-ray to make sure nothing was out of place. There wasn't too much damage on the car either.
So she goes and gets an Xray. And this is what happened. They found a rapidly growing malignant tumor in some obscure place in her torso, that would not have been detectable by any other means. They operated immediately, because waiting anymore could very likely have meant a death sentence. 
And she was operated on, and is in good health. 
And Jeremy....his parents bought him a brand new car soonafter. For no obvious reason. 

So the moral of the story is that he could have listened to social convention and NOT slammed on the gas pedal at the red light. Morality would have said you shouldn't needlessly cause car accidents. 
And then there's the universe speaking and acting through us, which requires intimacy with the crazy wisdom it carries. Morality, ethics...they could potentially interfere with that. 
And thus I pledge allegiance to no side of the game, only dedicating myself to the Web of Life and the spiritual ecology we all embody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Much of what keeps us imprisoned in modern civilization amounts to unarticulated webs of shoulds and oughts, rights and wrongs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Totally! Adorno speaks on this a lot&#8230;<br />
and a lot of people see morality and ethics as a sort of compass, a navigation mechanism for their journey through life. But when you think about the fact that these are social constructs, we look like animals circling a pen.<br />
I&#8217;ll share a story that my housemate told me. </p>
<p>He had a friend, Jeremy,  who was going through this strange period of life where he was &#8220;watching Fight Club all the time and not sleeping much&#8221;. One afternoon he was sitting at a red light at a busy street in West Olympia. And he got this sudden, uncontrollable urge to just slam on the gas. It built, and built&#8230;..and he gunned it&#8230;.feeling the sort of crazy wisdom, an exhilarating, divine inspiration&#8230;.<br />
And T-boned a very large white SUV.<br />
And then the feeling of doom set in. The woman got out of the drivers seat and said she didn&#8217;t think she was injured. But she wanted to have an X-ray to make sure nothing was out of place. There wasn&#8217;t too much damage on the car either.<br />
So she goes and gets an Xray. And this is what happened. They found a rapidly growing malignant tumor in some obscure place in her torso, that would not have been detectable by any other means. They operated immediately, because waiting anymore could very likely have meant a death sentence.<br />
And she was operated on, and is in good health.<br />
And Jeremy&#8230;.his parents bought him a brand new car soonafter. For no obvious reason. </p>
<p>So the moral of the story is that he could have listened to social convention and NOT slammed on the gas pedal at the red light. Morality would have said you shouldn&#8217;t needlessly cause car accidents.<br />
And then there&#8217;s the universe speaking and acting through us, which requires intimacy with the crazy wisdom it carries. Morality, ethics&#8230;they could potentially interfere with that.<br />
And thus I pledge allegiance to no side of the game, only dedicating myself to the Web of Life and the spiritual ecology we all embody.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Natural Teamwork by Renee</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/14/natural-teamwork/#comment-24014</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/14/natural-teamwork/#comment-24014</guid>
		<description>Nice! This weekend we're having a VBC here in Oly. And a free herbal clinic just opened here too...is there one in Portland?
What did you do a talk about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice! This weekend we&#8217;re having a VBC here in Oly. And a free herbal clinic just opened here too&#8230;is there one in Portland?<br />
What did you do a talk about?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dreaming Q&#038;A by Willem</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/16/dreaming-qa/#comment-23992</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/16/dreaming-qa/#comment-23992</guid>
		<description>Yes, I think your Dreamself does its job when it successfully haunts you into the daytime. That also sounds like a really evocative dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think your Dreamself does its job when it successfully haunts you into the daytime. That also sounds like a really evocative dream.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dreaming Q&#038;A by Penny Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/16/dreaming-qa/#comment-23991</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/16/dreaming-qa/#comment-23991</guid>
		<description>I see. I often find that I find that out of everything that happens that I can or can't remember there are usually at least one or two dream images a night that "haunt" me all day long either because they are particularly quirky or particularly emotional in some way. Last night I had some version of the reoccuring fucked up baby/animal dream in which I'm require to take care of some disgusting creature.  I gave the child a pair of my underwear to wear and a new pair for myself as well. Then right before I woke up I dreamed I was listening to an ipod through me teeth. I bit down on the earphones back near my wisdom teeth and the sound traveled through me jaw. My rational self questioned this a bit even as I was doing it, but I thought it rather satisfying because those ear things never stay in my ears anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see. I often find that I find that out of everything that happens that I can or can&#8217;t remember there are usually at least one or two dream images a night that &#8220;haunt&#8221; me all day long either because they are particularly quirky or particularly emotional in some way. Last night I had some version of the reoccuring fucked up baby/animal dream in which I&#8217;m require to take care of some disgusting creature.  I gave the child a pair of my underwear to wear and a new pair for myself as well. Then right before I woke up I dreamed I was listening to an ipod through me teeth. I bit down on the earphones back near my wisdom teeth and the sound traveled through me jaw. My rational self questioned this a bit even as I was doing it, but I thought it rather satisfying because those ear things never stay in my ears anyway.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dreaming Q&#038;A by Willem</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/16/dreaming-qa/#comment-23990</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/16/dreaming-qa/#comment-23990</guid>
		<description>Well, see, if you described dumpsters as "sticky, smelly, dirty" places (which would tell me how you experience them as a metaphor), and then told me "but in the dream it all looked so shiny and clean for some reason" with a kinda confused expression, I would respond with: "in your waking life, do know of a place that usually, or in other situations, would posses sticky, smelly, dirty qualities, but for some reason it looks all shiny and clean, either right now. or recently?"

You just use everything the dreamer says. Paradoxes, exceptions, contradictions, all of those count as part of the dream language - your shiny clean dumpster would stand out as a negation of your metaphor of a normal dumpster, which would help you figure out the thing in your waking life that it refers to. Yasee? I always want to know about your experiences with dumpsters, and we start there. 

If you gave me an encyclopedia or textbook definition of a dumpster, now I couldn't do anything with that, because it wouldn't have anything to do with your personal metaphors. I run into that problem a lot, including when I interview myself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, see, if you described dumpsters as &#8220;sticky, smelly, dirty&#8221; places (which would tell me how you experience them as a metaphor), and then told me &#8220;but in the dream it all looked so shiny and clean for some reason&#8221; with a kinda confused expression, I would respond with: &#8220;in your waking life, do know of a place that usually, or in other situations, would posses sticky, smelly, dirty qualities, but for some reason it looks all shiny and clean, either right now. or recently?&#8221;</p>
<p>You just use everything the dreamer says. Paradoxes, exceptions, contradictions, all of those count as part of the dream language - your shiny clean dumpster would stand out as a negation of your metaphor of a normal dumpster, which would help you figure out the thing in your waking life that it refers to. Yasee? I always want to know about your experiences with dumpsters, and we start there. </p>
<p>If you gave me an encyclopedia or textbook definition of a dumpster, now I couldn&#8217;t do anything with that, because it wouldn&#8217;t have anything to do with your personal metaphors. I run into that problem a lot, including when I interview myself!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dreaming Q&#038;A by Penny Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/16/dreaming-qa/#comment-23989</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/07/16/dreaming-qa/#comment-23989</guid>
		<description>Ah, okay. I have one more question. When exploring a symbol in a dream, say the dumpster, how much emphasis do i put on what the thing was like in the dream vs. what its like in general. Let's say dumpsters in general are sticky smell places, but i dream about a very clean shiny dumpster. I know delaney asks "how is it different" but how do you work that difference into the interpretation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, okay. I have one more question. When exploring a symbol in a dream, say the dumpster, how much emphasis do i put on what the thing was like in the dream vs. what its like in general. Let&#8217;s say dumpsters in general are sticky smell places, but i dream about a very clean shiny dumpster. I know delaney asks &#8220;how is it different&#8221; but how do you work that difference into the interpretation?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Making and Holding Space: Transformational  Tools by Curt</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/06/29/making-and-holding-space-transformational-tools/#comment-23988</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/06/29/making-and-holding-space-transformational-tools/#comment-23988</guid>
		<description>Willem,

Thank you for the thousand congratulations.  

Keep up the great work.

Curt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willem,</p>
<p>Thank you for the thousand congratulations.  </p>
<p>Keep up the great work.</p>
<p>Curt</p>
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		<title>Comment on Making and Holding Space: Transformational  Tools by Willem</title>
		<link>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/06/29/making-and-holding-space-transformational-tools/#comment-23986</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mythic-cartography.org/2008/06/29/making-and-holding-space-transformational-tools/#comment-23986</guid>
		<description>No worries, Curt. I enjoy the taste of bile now and then. I know that sounds really gross, but hey.

I too absolutely CELEBRATE what you have given your son. A thousand congratulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, Curt. I enjoy the taste of bile now and then. I know that sounds really gross, but hey.</p>
<p>I too absolutely CELEBRATE what you have given your son. A thousand congratulations.</p>
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